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Though counting isn't technically illegal, casinos in Nevada bar counters from playing blackjack by backing them off games. Counters can.


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It is a waste of time and not illegal since it cannot be proven. Card counting is only when you have a single deck for blackjack and knowing there are 16 cards.


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card counting is NOT cheating. Card counting is simply using your brain, like a winning chess player. Fortunately, using your brain is still perfectly legal in the US!


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They have a lot of tools against card counting and I've experienced many to If they change the blackjack payout to , then I don't think any.


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It is a waste of time and not illegal since it cannot be proven. Card counting is only when you have a single deck for blackjack and knowing there are 16 cards.


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It's important to remember that card counting in blackjack isn't illegal. However, casinos have the right to refuse service to anyone they please.


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Just a little addition to the previous answer: Imagine you have the opportunity to play blackjack against a thousand people. You have a few advantages, but also.


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Meaning that if card counters were forced to "flat bet," they would lose. Tom Au Tom Au I heard that the house edge on a person playing by basic strategy was much lower than that; an eight-deck game with no additional rules benefiting the player like hitting split aces or dealer must hit soft 17 has a house edge of about. You wouldn't risk your money betting against someone with such an advantage would you? It is negative against a skilled card counter who varies his bets. Just a little addition to the previous answer: Imagine you have the opportunity to play blackjack against a thousand people. EpsilonVector: If casinos took bets where they didn't have an edge, they'd go out of business. Only if you've used a counting device, or properly cheated etc, but then they also throw you in jail after taking back the money : Of course, there's nothing to say you aren't going to suffer a few accidents "falling down the stairs" on your way out of the casino I'm still not convinced. The rules of blackjack say nothing about dealing multiple hands from the same pre-shuffled stack - but that's exactly what makes card counting possible. TomAu But isn't that essentially if "the appropriate times" are derived by "card counting" or methods that the casino decides "aren't fair" on their scheme of making a living off an unfair game? Active 5 years, 6 months ago. But card counters overcome this advantage by betting big on certain "good" hands and betting small on most other "bad" ones. It is some fraction of 1 percent depending on house rules against a "skilled" player who plays optimally but doesn't vary his bets based on card-counting. Featured on Meta. I was under the impression that if all players play by what the casino deems are the accepted rules, then statistically, the players collectively are essentially bound to lose to the house. Michael Borgwardt Michael Borgwardt 2 2 bronze badges. Sign up to join this community. Well, the very odds of the game are per se in the casino's favour -- it turns out they're not a charity : If you want to play a fair game, simply don't go to a casino in the first place NeilCoffey: What you said is basically true, except that the best players can beat the game by varying their bets at appropriate times. Home Questions Tags Users Unanswered. Why is card counting considered illegal in Blackjack? Casinos have the right to deny service to anyone, and of makes sense to deny players from playing a game in which they have an advantage versus the house. Continuous shuffling machines - but players and dealers hate those, claim that they destroy the atmosphere, etc. New post lock available on meta sites: Policy Lock. This is further reduced with fewer decks in the shoe. What card counters mostly do is to vary their bet sizes in their own favor. This case presents a conflict between two inconsistent public policies that have developed over the years with regard to the gaming industry. Unless you use a "device" such as a computer to do so in Nevada, which is a felony under Nevada law. On the other hand, neither card counting nor the use of a legal subterfuge such as a disguise to gain access to this table game is illegal under Nevada law. Card counting isn't considered illegal. Card counters exploit a flaw in the game implementation which is not actually part of the rules of the game. What card counters do is to watch for a handful of situations that come up occasionally, where the player is favored. They may have the right to choose not to play with you, but the games in which they did play with you should be considered legitimate, right? As entertainment goes, not bad. So why is card counting a justification for casinos to kick people out? I understand that. But Nevada courts do tend to side with the casinos for economic reasons. Card counter Kenny Uston won a court case in New Jersey that prohibits Atlantic City casinos from barring or harassing card counters. Feedback post: New moderator reinstatement and appeal process revisions. You have a few advantages, but also have to play by strict and predictable conventions, but the thousand can play in any manner they choose. They are allowed to take "defensive" measures such as shuffling up after every deal. Asked 7 years, 3 months ago. TimLymington: If casinos were "even money" against a handful of "best" players and favorites against everyone else, they'd be ok. OK this actually makes sense. KeithS: It used to be more like 0. Not gonna happen. Question feed.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} Viewed 91k times. If you are too good you get thrown out. The best answers are voted up and rise to the top. You'd stick with the odds, and play only the other A perfectly sensible and logical position, which is, in essence, the same position the casino takes. This is a form of "trolling. Casinos pretend that they let you gamble in a game that has certain rules, but if you use skill to win, then you are not allowed to play, even if you play within the confines of those rules. That's just a theoretical construct. TomAu Or by "beat the game" do you mean beat the other players? This isn't cheating in any sense of the word. As a slightly off topic followup, do casinos typically let you keep what you won if they do catch you card counting? You also know that one of those thousand is capable of card-counting. Needless to say, "trolling" and "table hopping," whether or not for the purpose of making money, while not illegal, are socially gauche. On one hand, gaming establishments have the unquestioned right to protect themselves against so-called "card counters" who have developed expertise in the game of "blackjack" "twenty-one". So casinos will eject players for that kind of behavior alone, whether or not connected with card counting. Related Hot Network Questions. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}It only takes a minute to sign up. EpsilonVector EpsilonVector 1 1 gold badge 2 2 silver badges 6 6 bronze badges. Linked 4. Some casinos use them, but most seem to prefer making a fuss about card counters. Actually, it is not the "mechanic," that makes for card counting. I believe that if you have won it legally, they cannot take it back. As far as I can see, a card counter is still subject to the same mechanic as any other players, but they are able to perform better then most people within these confines. This strategy calls for the big player to "table hop" in a seemingly random fashion but actually based on signals from his teammates. Is that all there is to it, or is there a valid gameplay justification for this? Card counting ISN'T illegal. Ask Question. This flaw and thus card counting can actually be neutralized in two ways: Shuffling manually after each hand - but that slows down the game and thus reduces casino winnings on the game that already gives them a rather small house edge. And the assumption is that most people would not engage in that kind of behavior unless they are card counting. See my answer below. So "bet management" is a key skill in the game. Sounds like fraud to me. Then they "jump" their bets by five or ten times to take advantage of these situations, and bet a "basic" unit at other times, shifting the odds in their favor. Active Oldest Votes. Yes, even if the game was precisely even; the mathematics is interesting. Obviously, a card counter will cost them money, but if that is the only justification, then it's like the casino is cheating- they only allow sucky players to play. That's the point of counting cards.